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<head xml:id="hd1"><hi rend="italic">Mr</hi>. Isaac Newton'<hi rend="italic">s Considerations upon part of a Letter of Monsieur de</hi> Bercé <hi rend="italic">printed in the Eight French</hi> Memoire, <hi rend="italic">concerning the <choice><sic>Cata drioptrical</sic><corr>Catadioptrical</corr></choice> Telescope, pretended to be improv'd and refined by M</hi>. Cassegrain.<space dim="vertical" extent="1" unit="lines"/></head>
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<head xml:id="hd2"><hi rend="italic">That the Reader may be enabled the better to Judge of the whole, by comparing together the contrivances both of Mr</hi>. Newton <hi rend="italic">and</hi> M<hi rend="italic">r</hi>. Cassegrain; <hi rend="italic">it will be necessary, to borrow from the said French</hi> Memoire <hi rend="italic">what is there said concerning them: which is as followes</hi>.<space dim="vertical" extent="1" unit="lines"/></head>
<p rend="indent0" xml:id="par1"><hi rend="dropCap">I</hi> Send you (saith M. de <hi rend="italic">Bercè</hi> to the Publisher of the <hi rend="italic">Me<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l1"/>moire</hi>,) the Copy of the Letter, which M. <hi rend="italic">Cassagrain</hi> hath <lb xml:id="l2"/>written to me concerning the proportions of Sr. <hi rend="italic">Samuel <lb xml:id="l3"/>Morelands</hi> Trumpet. And as for the Telescope of Mr. <hi rend="italic">New<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l4"/>ton</hi> it hath as much surprised me, as the same Person, that <lb xml:id="l5"/>hath found out the proportions of the Trumpet. For 'tis now <lb xml:id="l6"/>about three months, that the person communicated to me the <lb xml:id="l7"/>figure of a Telescope, which was almost like it, and which he <lb xml:id="l8"/>had invented; but which I look upon as more witty. I shall <lb xml:id="l9"/>here give you the description of it in short.</p>
<p xml:id="par2"><hi rend="italic">ABCD</hi>. is a strong Tube, in the bottom of which there <lb xml:id="l10"/>is a great concave <hi rend="italic">Speculum</hi> CD, pierced in the midle E.</p>
<p xml:id="par3">F. is a convex <hi rend="italic">Speculum</hi>, so disposed, as to its convexity, <lb xml:id="l11"/>that it reflects the <hi rend="italic">Species</hi>, which it receives from the great <hi rend="italic">Spe<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l12"/>culum</hi>, towards the hole E, where is an Eye-glass, which one <lb xml:id="l13"/>looketh through.</p>
<p xml:id="par4">The advantage, which I find in this Instrument above that <lb xml:id="l14"/>of Mr. <hi rend="italic">Newton</hi>, is first, that the mouth or aperture AB of the <lb xml:id="l15"/>Tube may be of what bigness you please; and consequently <lb xml:id="l16"/>you may have many more rays upon the Concave <hi rend="italic">Speculum</hi>, <lb xml:id="l17"/>than upon that, of which you have given us the description. <lb xml:id="l18"/>2. The reflexion of the rays will be very natural, since it will <lb xml:id="l19"/>be made upon the <hi rend="italic">axis</hi> it self, and therefore more vivid. <lb xml:id="l20"/>3. The vision of it will be so much the more pleasing, in that <lb xml:id="l21"/>you shall not be incommoded by the great light, by reason of <lb xml:id="l22"/>the bottom CD, which hideth the whole face. Besides that <fw type="catch" place="bottomRight">you'l</fw><pb xml:id="p4057" n="4057"/><fw type="pag" place="topRight">(4057)</fw> you'l have less difficulty in discovering the Objects, than in <lb xml:id="l23"/>that of Mr. <hi rend="italic">Newtons</hi>.</p>

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<head xml:id="hd3"><hi rend="italic">So far this French Author. To which we shall now subjoin the Considerations of Mr</hi>. Newton, <hi rend="italic">as we received them from him in a Letter, written from</hi> Cambridge <hi rend="italic">May</hi> 4th 1672, <hi rend="italic">as follows</hi>.</head>
<p xml:id="par5">SIR</p>
<p rend="indent0" xml:id="par6"><hi rend="dropCap">I</hi> Should be very glad to meet with any improvement of <lb xml:id="l24"/>the Catadioptrical Telescope; but that design of it, which <lb xml:id="l25"/>(as you informe me) Mr. <hi rend="italic">Cassegrain</hi> hath communicated 3 months <lb xml:id="l26"/>since, and is now printed in one of the French <hi rend="italic">Memoires</hi>, I <lb xml:id="l27"/>fear will not answer Expectaion. For, when I first applied my<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l28"/>self to try the effects of Relexions, Mr. <hi rend="italic">Gregory's Optica Pro<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l29"/>mota</hi> (printed in the year 1663) being fallen into my hands, <lb xml:id="l30"/>where there is an Instrument (described pag. 94) like that <lb xml:id="l31"/>of Monsieur <hi rend="italic">Cassegrain's</hi> with a hole in the midst of the Object-<lb xml:id="l32"/>Metal to transmit the Light to an Eye-glass placed behind it; <lb xml:id="l33"/>I had thence an occasion of considering that sort of constructi<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l34"/>ons, and found their disadvantages so great, that I saw it ne<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l35"/>cessary, before I attempted any thing in the Practique, to al<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l36"/>ter the design of them, and place the Eye glass at the side of <lb xml:id="l37"/>the Tube rather than at the midle.</p>
<p xml:id="par7">The disadvantages of it you will understand by these parti<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l38"/>culars. 1. There will be more light lost in the Metal by reflexion <lb xml:id="l39"/>from the little convex <hi rend="italic">speculum</hi>, than from the Oval plane. For, <lb xml:id="l40"/>it is an obvious observation, that Light is most copiously re<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l41"/>flected from any substance when incident most obliquely. 2 The <lb xml:id="l42"/>convex <hi rend="italic">speculum</hi> will not reflect the rays so truly as the oval <lb xml:id="l43"/>plane, unless it be of an Hyperbolique figure; which is in<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l44"/>comparably more difficult to forme than a plane; and if tru<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l45"/><fw type="catch" place="bottomRight">ly</fw><fw type="sig" place="bottomCenter">R r r r 2</fw><pb xml:id="p4058" n="4058"/><fw type="pag" place="topRight">(4058)</fw>ly formed, yet would only reflect those rays truly, which re<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l46"/>spect the <hi rend="italic">axis</hi>. 3 The errours of the said convex will be much <lb xml:id="l47"/>augmented by the too great distance, through which the rays, <lb xml:id="l48"/>reflected from it, must pass before their arrival at the Eye-<lb xml:id="l49"/>glass. For which resaon I find it convenient to make the Tube <lb xml:id="l50"/>no wider than is necessary, that the Eye glass be placed as <lb xml:id="l51"/>near to the Oval plane, as is possible, without obstructing any <lb xml:id="l52"/>useful light in its passage to the object metal. 4. The errors of <lb xml:id="l53"/>the object-metal will be more augmented by reflexion from <lb xml:id="l54"/>the convex than from the plane, because of the inclination or <lb xml:id="l55"/>deflexion of the convex on all sides from the points, on which <lb xml:id="l56"/>every ray ought to be incident. 5. For these reasons there is re<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l57"/>quisite an extraordinary exactness in the figure of the little <lb xml:id="l58"/>convex, whereas I find by experience, that it is much more <lb xml:id="l59"/>difficult to communicate an exact figure to such small pieces of <lb xml:id="l60"/>Metal, than to those that are greater. 6 Because the errors at <lb xml:id="l61"/>the perimeter of the concave Object-Metal, caused by the <lb xml:id="l62"/>Sphericalness of its figure, are much augmented by the convex, <lb xml:id="l63"/>it will not with distinctness bear so large an aperture, as in the <lb xml:id="l64"/>other construction. 7. By reason that the little convex condu<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l65"/>ces very much to the magnifying virtue of the instrument, <lb xml:id="l66"/>which the Oval plane doth not, it will magnify much more in <lb xml:id="l67"/>proportion to the Sphere, on which the great concave is ground, <lb xml:id="l68"/>than in the other design; And so magnifying Objects much <lb xml:id="l69"/>more than it ought to do in proportion to its aperture, it must <lb xml:id="l70"/>represent them very obscure and dark; and not only so, but <lb xml:id="l71"/>also confused by reason of its being overcharged. Nor is <lb xml:id="l72"/>there any convenient remedy for this. For, if the little con<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l73"/>vex be made of a larger Sphere, that will cause a greater in<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l74"/>convenience by intercepting too many of the best rayes; or, if <lb xml:id="l75"/>the Charge of the Eye-glass be made so much shallower as is <lb xml:id="l76"/>necessary, the angle of vision will thereby become so little, that <lb xml:id="l77"/>it will be very difficult and troublesome to find an object, and <lb xml:id="l78"/>of that object, when found, there will be but a very small part <lb xml:id="l79"/>seen at once.</p>
<p xml:id="par8">By this you may perceive, that the three advantages, which <lb xml:id="l80"/>Monsieur <hi rend="italic">Cassegrain</hi> propounds to himself, are rather disad<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l81"/>vantages. For, according to his design, the aperture of the <fw type="catch" place="bottomRight"><choice><sic>iustrument</sic><corr>instrument</corr></choice></fw><pb xml:id="p4059" n="4059"/><fw type="pag" place="topRight">(4059)</fw> instrument will be but small, the object dark and confused, and <lb xml:id="l82"/>also difficult to be found. Nor do I see, why the reflexion is <lb xml:id="l83"/>more upon the same <hi rend="italic">axis</hi>, and so more natural in one case than <lb xml:id="l84"/>in the other: since the <hi rend="italic">axis</hi> it self is reflected towards the Eye <lb xml:id="l85"/>by the Oval plain; and the Eye may be defended from ex<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l86"/>ternal light as well at the side, as at the bottome of the Tube.</p>
<p xml:id="par9">You see therefore, that the advantages of this design are <lb xml:id="l87"/>none, but the disadvantages so great and unavoidable, that I <lb xml:id="l88"/>fear it will never be put in practise with good effect. And when <lb xml:id="l89"/>I consider, that by reason of its resemblance with other Te<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l90"/>lescopes it is something more obvious than the other construct<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l91"/>ion; I am apt to believe, that those, who have attempted any <lb xml:id="l92"/>thing in Catoptricks, have ever tryed it in the first place, and <lb xml:id="l93"/>that their bad success in that attempt hath been the cause, why <lb xml:id="l94"/>nothing hath been done in reflexions. For, Mr. <hi rend="italic">Gregory</hi>, speak<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l95"/>ing of these instruments in the aforesaid book pag 95, sayeth; <lb xml:id="l96"/><foreign xml:lang="lat"><hi rend="italic">De mechanica horum speculorum &amp; lentium, ab aliis frustràtenta<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l97"/>tâ, ego in mechanicis minus versatus nihil dico</hi>.</foreign> So that there have <lb xml:id="l98"/>been tryals made of these Telescopes, but yet in vain. And I <lb xml:id="l99"/>am informed, that about 7 or 8 years since, Mr. <hi rend="italic">Gregory</hi> himself, <lb xml:id="l100"/>at <hi rend="italic">London</hi>, caused one of six foot to be made by Mr. <hi rend="italic">Reive</hi>, <lb xml:id="l101"/>which I take to have been according to the aforesaid design <lb xml:id="l102"/>described in his book; because, though made by a skilful Ar<lb type="hyphenated" xml:id="l103"/>tist, yet it was without success.</p>
<p xml:id="par10">I could wish therefore, Mr. <hi rend="italic">Cassegrain</hi> had tryed his design <lb xml:id="l104"/>before he divulged it: But if, for further satisfaction, he please <lb xml:id="l105"/>hereafter to try it, I believe the success will inform him, that <lb xml:id="l106"/>such projects are of little moment till they be put in practise.</p>
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